Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Top Ten Reasons I Prefer Hand CPT to the Vest

Before reading this list, know that I do my vest religiously and that I am VERY compliant with my treatments. Just because I prefer a hand pound to a vest treatment, doesn't mean that I blow off my vest treatment. In fact, I spend two hours a day on my vest. When I tell my doctors I'm compliant, I mean it, and I'm not going to lie to them. Plus, as I've already told many of you, the vest is certainly better than a sharp stick in the eye. Bottom line: You HAVE TO do your treatments if you want to stay ahead of this disease.

Without further ado, the top ten reasons I prefer a hand pound to the vest....

10. I can do it in the car. - I do get a lot of funny looks, but I am constantly pounding away on my chest as I drive and am sitting at lights. I especially like it when a song with a good beat to follow is on.

9. I don't have to worry about being hassled by airport security because of my hands. - I always get some sort of comment when putting my vest through airport security from "This is the biggest c-pap I have ever seen" to "How exactly is this box supposed to help your chest?". And of course, I can ALWAYS count on extra time as they make sure it's not some awesome bomb that I built.

8. It brings back fond memories of my childhood. - I don't know how, but my mom, dad or my step-dad pounded me twice a day everyday from the age of 6 months to 20 years. I was literally a grown man sitting on my mom's lap as she clapped away. But my fondest memories come from lying on the "wedge pillow" while trying to squirm away from my mom's grasp as she continued to "slap" me.

7. It doesn't give me hernias. - After my surgery for a complete intestinal blockage I had two subsequent hernias. They at least partly attributed this to lugging around my "old-school" vest. Lucky for me, the insurance company agreed and provided me with a new spiffy one.

6. I bring up mucus from my lower lobes. - I never feel like I'm getting much out of my lower lobes when I have on my vest. My lower lobes also seem to give me the most problems. Often times, after my vest, either Mandi or myself will whack away for a while and try to get the stuff out that's way down in there.

5. It puts me to sleep. - Even to this day, I almost ALWAYS fall asleep while getting pounded. When I'm in the hospital, it's common practice for the RT to have to shake me awake so that I can change positions.

4. My hands are a lot lighter to carry around. - A part of me always dreads traveling, even if just for the night, cause I always have to deal with my vest. Not only do packing it up and unpacking it bother me, but then lugging it around just kind of pours salt in the wound.

3. It makes me cough more. - I RARELY cough when I have the vest on. I have to be incredibly junky or be supplementing with some sort of breathing exercise to work up a productive cough on the vest. Conversely, it's really hard for me not to cough while getting a hand pound.

2. It's a cool bonding experience between Mandi and I. - From the very beginning, Mandi has been more than willing to "feel the burn" in order to give me hand CPT. The more she does it the better she gets (although she was a natural) and I'm pretty sure that she would make an excellent RT.

1. Plain and simple: For me, it's more effective than the vest. - I guess that doesn't really need an explanation.

So what do you guys think? Am I way off the mark? I know that in the CF community it is different strokes for different folks and there are those of you who swear by the vest and hate hand pounds. Maybe you guys could leave me some comments as to why the vest is better? And if, like me, you prefer a hand pound over the vest, leave me some points that I missed!

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hahah so true I always fall asleep....
I'm actually very happy to hear this. Sam still doesn't have the vest, and we were frustrated with that fact for a long time. Unfortunately, she hates it with a passion, so the doctor won't order her one. I'm glad that you think the hand CPT is best, it gives me hope!
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
I'm so glad someone else feels this way. Just a few weeks ago, I caught a pretty bad chest cold and asked my husband to pound on me. At first he was afraid he was hurting me, and it took a couple of "harder!" to get him hitting with enough force, but once he got it, it felt so wonderful! It helped him to turn on some itunes with a good beat as well. I totally agree that it not only brings back good memories from my childhood as well, but it also feels more effective AND it's so relaxing to me too!

We CF patients are so weird! hahaha!
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
haha i definitly fall asleep too.
I used pari pep. In Canada we don't really practise with the vest.
I use hand percussion physio when I have a chest infection or feel more flemmy, and pari pep twice a day with my masks, it's much less time consuming!
i like chest hand percussion on my lower lobes as well. really helps to bring up the deep stuff.
2 replies · active 805 weeks ago
I just hand clapped Nathan to sleep! This is not always the case though. I love this list by the way since Nathan cannot yet give me his feedback.
I find it interesting that using the vest is so common in the states, we don't really use it in Canada. My parents did hand CPT three times a day when I was a kid, until I was old enough to use the PEP mask. For me, the PEP mask works the best, esp since I have a lot of tightness. I do that twice a day and I also do a technique called Active Cycle of Breathing once-a-day. I like to switch up my physio routine when I'm sick, I often do PEP, and manual CPT because you can concentrate on specific areas that need more attention, I will also throw in Active Cycle of Breathing--when you have a chest infection it is time to really step up the physio!

I've also tried the flutter... but wasn't impressed with it. And I've tried "The Frequencer" which uses sound waves to break up the mucus in the lungs... but I didn't find that did much either. But everyone is different!
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
M says he couldnt agree with you more!
We do hand CPT several times a day which means M gets several baby naps in lol!
We still have and use the cup from when he was a small kiddo..thats his very fav way to do cpt.
I completely agree!! I definitely feel that hand CPT is much more affective then the vest. I got the vest when I went away to college so that I could be independent, which I was and still am thankful for. I still use it every day but when Rob is around I plead with him to either perform CPT or use my old-school percussor. They work significantly better in my opinion. Another great post!

~nicole
I have worked for both two of the major companies and I am a HFCC/Vest guy. It does work well if you focus and do a hard cough between each frequency. When I have gone on vacation, I bring my therapy machine and I have had very few issues with security. When I do, I ALWAYS have an interesting story. It's also nice for me because I don't have to depend on my spouse (who will gladly beat the crud out of me if necessary - sometimes even if I don't ask her too. ;-) ) or anyone else to help with treatment times.

...BUT....

I was also given manual CPT and believe in the effectiveness of that as well. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be a very viable option. There is something to be said for working a specific spot on the body, especially when we are talking about major mucus plugs. RT's do a great job in patient working my lower lobes. My my wife and best friends have been trained if we were to ever be in a situation without electricity which is very important. I am blessed to have a great support system in that way.

Ultimately, CF patients should investigate all options because we are all different and each person should do the things that work for them when end result is positive lung function. When I worked for both companies I got myself in a bit of trouble for saying these things, but they understood and respected my opinions and I know the customers valued my insight and honesty.

Peaceful Things.
4 replies · active 805 weeks ago
I love this post- in fact, I always thought I was one of the rare ones that LOVES CPT over the vest! I do the vest 2 hours a day as well, now, but grew up with hand CPT from good ol' mom and dad (and any of my friends who were around) until I was 21....so it was a weird switch. The vest works well for me so I love that I can be independent, but I agree that my lower lobes don't always get as much shaking as they need. So I often pound myself a little extra. I do cough a lot with the vest though, so thats good. Plus, if I'm out and about with friends for the day I still do hand CPT because the vest is just too crazy to lug around and sometimes I don't have power to do it!
I have to agree with all 10 points- plus, I'd add in the social interaction :). I'm such a social person that I loved doing CPT because I got to chat and talk with whoever was pounding on me...so doing the vest doesn't require anyone and sometimes gets rather boring. I definitely need something to distract me so I keep myself going.
I love your top 10 reasons :). Way to represent for us CPT-lovers!
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
I actually prefer my vest for day to day treatments, because hand CPT always makes me sore, especially the sides of my ribs. It may have to do with my scoliosis, I dunno. I do like it for specific, congested areas though, and I still like my Flutter (I use mine in the shower, after I've been "steaming" for a bit). I did order a "Minnesota Style" vest (The Vest) a few months ago. It is longer and gives more coverage, for both upper and lower lobes. So far, I like it. It might be worth a shot for those with a longer torso, or, um, females who have upper lobe coverage issues, like me :P.
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
I'm in love with my flutter. I was very resistent to physio throughout my entire childhood, so do what they may, my parents had to eventually give up. As things have progressed repidly these past 7 years or so.. Ive taken up physio for the first time with force. It makes me nervous that so many Cf'ers can "fall asleep" doing hand cpt because to me its an active process to loosen mucus and it shouldnt be relaxing. Therefore, I took what I thought were the best of both worlds and get my husband to do some cpt, which I followup with an equally long session of flutter. I think the combo is better than either individually.
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
I've never used the vest, myself. Having said that, I think hand CPT is awesome. When I'm actively trying to get something out (usually something old and deep), I routinely bang on my chest. It's more effective than the Flutter sometimes.
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Tabitha E. · 805 weeks ago

haha ronnie, throwing the flutter against the wall! i wish i would have thought of that, i for some reason despised the flutter (and still do) and like you haven't found the acepalla to be super effective, I would definately use the vest or the percussor. I was going to be trained on the "autogenic" breathing but never got to, I was sent a cd from my doctor though that had a 30 minute session on it.

Anyways I basically agree with all of the above reasons... I do find that my old roomate didnt hit nearly hard enough and my boyfriend finally started getting better but he cant go very long... my mom and dad are still the best hand percussors around! And they have completely different styles...

anyways great blog post.
I definitely have to agree with this post! The RTs at the hospital always give me crazy looks when I don't bring my vest to the hospital. I tell them they've gotta work hard for their paycheck! I like the vest because it allows me to be more independent, but I still prefer pounding. You hit the nail right on the head with this one. We are currently struggling with insurance for a Vest upgrade (mine is still the huge original version) because I'm pretty sure there's no way I can take this one to college with me. I don't weigh much more than the machine itself. Any suggestions on working with insurance to get an upgrade?
1 reply · active 805 weeks ago
My husband recently told me that he likes CPT too! I was wondering about it since he does not like to do the vest, and really doesn't do it regularly. Did Mandi get any more of training to do it for you or did you just show her what to do?
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Tabitha E. · 805 weeks ago

Gillian, my insurance wouldnt upgrade me b/c it was technically still programmable... I have the model 104 which is manually programmable, I wanted to get the model 105 with has a whole automatic program thing you can use... they said no...
Wow, you get a lot of comments these days! I have fond memories of heading down to Tucson for the weekend, and Aunt Chris letting us beat the snot (literally) out of you. Good times... ;)
I feel the same way.... although, I can be more independent with my vest, I don't feel it's as therapeutic as "hands on".
I COMPLETELY agree with you - and if you don't mind, I'm going to make a list of my own on my blog of why manual CPT is my favorite. To be honest, my vest is dusty and should be put in storage - I just don't want to lift it to get it there!!!
im 23 now and i have been hand pounding since i was 18 months old, i could never imagine anything else, although my doctors always try persuade me to stop! Nothing will ever compare to it! It feels better, my chest feels clearer and it has kept me alive!

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